Guns Stolen And Recovered

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  1. Cody Fousnaugh

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    First of all, I have no idea why a UPS Facility would have some 400 guns in it. No explanation in the story of that.

    But, on Sunday, two black guys, stole some 400 guns from a UPS Facility in Memphis, TN. A security camera got a picture of both guys. They put them in a U-Haul vehicle. Types of guns were not revealed, but ATF states that this is one of the largest single gun thefts it's ever investigation.

    Now, this afternoon (Tuesday), just read that the U-Haul, with the guns in it, was recovered in a suburb of Chicago and one suspect, out of two, has been arrested.

    Obviously, this isn't the entire story, but it's the story that ATF is giving.

    That's all Chicago needs is more guns, but, thanks to law enforcement and ATF...……..
     
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    I am guessing the weapons were being sent to a gun dealer somewhere. They should certainly be kept in more secure storage.
     
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    @Cody Fousnaugh
    "Chicago" was not getting the guns. A city merely exists, it cannot "get" anything.

    The guns likely were to be sold illegally. Problem with that is, as @Don Alaska pointed out, these weapons were likely in transit, to be shipped dealer to dealer. Thus, every single one had been documented by ownership and serial number. Stupid criminal gun buyers probably don't think about such trivia, maybe. But, the smart criminal, having a record already, would strive to buy UN-documented guns, thus ensuring freedom from prosecution of possessing "stolen guns".
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    The thieves must have had inside information about the rifles being on the UPS shipment, and to know when and where to be able to steal them.
    It seems like it would be odd for two young men to make their way down from Chicago, randomly break into a UPS facility, and just happen to find that many AR-15 rifles sitting there for them to steal.
    I think that there is more to this story than just a random theft of rifles.
    In an odd coincidence, the weapons were stolen just a few days before President Trump would be in Memphis for a rally in Mississippi.
    When researching the internet for more information, I also discovered that an almost identical theft happened in August, also of about 400 rifles, which were stolen in Nevada.

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/aug/01/trailer-with-400-guns-stolen-from-henderson-casino/
     
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    Yes, I would think it is an inside job, either from the seller's end, the buyer's, or UPS. With a tracking code, they would know where it was. They'd just need to know what they were tracking.
     
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    I guess you felt that identifying them as "Black Guys" was somehow important to you. What would have been taken away if you had just called them thieves? Were they pure black? They had no Caucasian, Native American,or Hispanic blood?
     
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    I'll let either Ken or the Mod handle this, however, the news story did say "black" and the security camera showed two black dudes. I have no idea if they were more than one race.

    Sorry if my thread offended you.
     
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    But why was it so important to you to identify them as black? Your post would have carried the same impact and message without the racism!
     
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    Racism??? Again, I will let Ken and/or the forum Mod handle this.
     
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    Ken or Mod...…..if this thread is too offensive to a member, PLEASE simply delete or lock the thread. I sure didn't mean to offend anyone here. Thanks.
     
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    @Peter Renfro

    In matter of fact, there exists today very few "black" individuals in the U.S. as over the years, assimilation of the white and black races has taken place fairly extensively. Native Black Africans have nearly truly black skin, a feature rather hard to find here today. So, in my mind, there almost exists no two such races here anymore.
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    You are the one who is placing importance on it. As far as I can see, he simply gave a synopsis of what the news story said, which included their race. An oversensitive man might ask why it was important to mention their gender.

    Someone for whom the right to own a gun might similarly object to someone mentioning that someone robbed a store using a gun as being prejudicial against the right to own a gun, but facts are facts.

    If a newspaper routinely mentions the race of someone when they are black, but not when they are white, there might be a case for a charge of racism against the newspaper, but Cody was simply mentioning a news story, using the facts that were given. I don't see any more of an emphasis on race than gender, both of which were apparently part of the story.
     
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    @Cody Fousnaugh, you didn't say anything wrong. I don't see that you placed any special emphasis on their race, any more than you did their gender, both of which were included in the news story that you were talking about. Facts are not racist.
     
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    Ok. I know you meant no harm, but we need to start someplace.. My Aunt, grew up on a ranch in Utah. Married my Uncle and lived in Ogden. Most loving Christian lady you could ever imagine. Carried a Bible everywhere. Don't know why, she could probably recite that sucker cover to cover. Her son married an Ugandan woman. My Aunt was heard to say when talking about her grand babies, " I love my little brownberries just the same as the regular ones!" That was a racist comment, was not meant to be,but whenever you qualify a person by a physical aspect you are discriminating.
    My thought is that Law Enforcement are the only ones that should classify by race and then only to apprehend a particular subject.
    Ya gotta have some empathy for folks that stick out n a room. Most of us white guys don't know how that is.
     
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    @Peter Renfro

    I worked with a guy at Sears, he was in El Paso, where I had to travel frequently from Phoenix, who was a young black man. Discussing racial prejudice once with him, he pronounced that he hated being thought of as "black", "Black American", "African American", or any other. He preferred to call himself an "American". He was an Army Brat, if that means anything. And he drove a slick 270-Z!
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    The media will always use race classification in an article and so will law enforcement. Race classification is just what a lot of the public do. If someone from the Middle East makes news thru a crime, they will be identified as "Middle Eastern".

    I know that a lot of folks really wish that the race of a person wouldn't be used anywhere, but that just doesn't happen...…..in most cases anyway. And, when it does happen, the people who do it aren't racist, to me anyway. It just seems to be common to use race, and other things, like multiple tattoos, to describe someone, like law enforcement does quite often.
     
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    I have seen the opposite in the past decade. An illegal immigrant sleeping in a park in Los Angeles would be described as a "Los Angeles resident," and photos are not used as often when the criminals are black. Even in cases where the immigrant status or race of the individual is substantive to the story, as in the case of racially motivated attacks, it is often necessary to make that determination from the name of those who are arrested.

    In Maine, we have a problem with recent immigrants and immigrant families from Somalia in Lewiston-Auburn, Portland, and the surrounding southern Maine area, but particularly in Lewiston, where the Somalian community is concentrated. There have been a spate of attacks against white residents and police, as well as harassment lawsuits, such as suing a restaurant that has been in business for more than fifty years for serving bacon, now offensive to the new Muslim community. Yet you wouldn't know very much about any of this from the Maine media because when they do feel the need to mention that an assault was racially motivated, they pretend that both sides were equally responsible, and the only way you'd know that the people being arrested were Muslim is from the names, or from people who live there.

    Even in regular crimes, photos of white people who are arrested are published in the newspaper while photos of black arrestees are more often omitted. This is a low-populated state. Photos of people arrested for shoplifting will often be published in the newspaper.

    If a black person is arrested because he commits a crime, that's only racist if white people are not arrested who commit the same crimes. Where crimes are racially motivated, the race of the people involved are pertinent to the story. Where a large percentage of people of one race are are arrested, this might also be pertinent to the story.

    Our governor was lambasted a few years back because he mentioned, not to a reporter but in a meeting intended to discuss the crime problem in Maine, that the majority of people who are arrested for drug trafficking in Maine are black and from Massachusetts. That was a fact but, of course, some Democrat leaked it to the media, who reported it as a racial attack. Since then, while the newspapers will often post photos of people arrested for very minor crimes, they will most often omit photos of black people who are arrested for drug trafficking.

    Of course, if a newspaper were to make a point of mentioning the race or depicting only the black people who are arrested, there might be cause for a cry of racism, but I think it's fair to say that this isn't being done.
     
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    When I look at my news app for Jacksonville, Florida here, seems like the mug shots of arrested blacks, that have committed a crime, are placed on the app. I've also seen security camera shots (photos) of blacks caught doing thefts, on the local news app.

    Most people here know just how much black-on-black crime is done in Jacksonville...…..a lot. Just the way it is and has been for a number of years.
     
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    Back to the thread topic......
    This whole story does not make much sense to me, and I think that there is a lot more involved than what is on the news videos. According to the news reports, the two guys rented the van about 3 weeks before they stole the guns, and they rented it in Chicago. Then, on the day of the robbery, they broke into the UPS facility in Memphis at about 4AM.
    I wondered why the security camera shows both men wearing bright lime green safety vests, but in one of the pictures, it shows actual UPS employees wearing the same green vests.
    There had to be a lot of intelligence information for this theft to be carried out, and someone had to know when and where that shipment would be coming through, as well as how to look like UPS workers, and be able to get into the facility with their U-Haul van . This is not an example of the neighborhood druggies out stealing stuff to finance their habit, someone put some hard work into setting this whole robbery up.

    One interesting outcome is that now that the guns have been recovered, they have been taken as evidence by the BATF, so those guns will probably now end up belonging to that branch of the government.
    This gives a person something to speculate about what actually happened here.

     
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    Actually, now that I've read Yvonne's reply above, there HAS to be more to this story than is being told. But, then, again, on many news stories, just how much are we told and not told? Interesting.

    Anyway, really all I care about is that the weapons were recovered by law enforcement.
     
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