Gulf War In 1991 Justified?

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  1. Kalvin Mitnic

    Kalvin Mitnic Well-Known Member
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    Sure, but, the UN force, should not have stopped when it did. Had Saddam been deposed the second invasion would not have been necessary and the Kurd allies put into a deplorable situation of being deserted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
    From wiki, but available at multi sources.

    The following is selected excerpts:
    "Iraq's military arsenal included weapons of mass destruction (biological and chemical) starting from 1960s, effectively ending with its near total destruction in the 1990s. Iraq used chemical weapons on multiple occasions, both domestically and in the war against Iran. After the first Gulf War in 1991, the UN Security Council required Iraq to eliminate its chemical, biological and previously unknown nuclear weapon programs under UN verification.

    Saddam Hussein,[1] was internationally condemned for his use of chemical weapons during the 1980s campaign against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. In the 1980s, Saddam pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was built.

    After the Persian Gulf War, the United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi chemical weapons and related equipment and materials throughout the early 1990s, with varying degrees of Iraqi cooperation and obstruction."
     
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    problem was if we get rid of him who takes his place???
     
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    History is repetitive, they say.......
    French fought in Viet Nam 10 or so years, pulled out and we took their place. U.S. total dead: 153,000.
    USSR spent 10 years militarily in Afghanistan, pulled out, leaving a gaping hole for our own military........2001-present: U.S. dead, 18,000.
    Korea? That old 38th. parallel represented the dividing line between North and South, when U.S. went in 1950, pulled out 1953, 38th. remained exactly the same dividing line, U.S. forces present over 60 years now, varies, around 50,000 troops & support. Total U.S. dead 128,000, through 1953.

    These numbers represent combined totals of combat and other: accidents, suicides, etc.
    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

    Frank
     
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    Kalvin Mitnic Well-Known Member
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    "K" but it wasn't only the USA in some instances that engaged and suffered casualties.

    I wonder the aftermath had those events not occurred? )or WW 1 & 2.
     
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    Kalvin Mitnic Well-Known Member
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    ? But had he been deposed the second invasion would not have happened.
    Like if 9-11 hadn't happened the UN would not have gone to war with Afghanistan.
    ("joined by the rest of NATO, beginning in 2003. Its public aims were to dismantle al-Qaeda and to deny it a safe base of operations in Afghanistan by removing the Taliban from power")
    Newton's third law is: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    Looking and/or judging only the end result is only part of the equation.

    The Civil war killed how many Americans...and the cause(s) not just one.
    The causes are just as, OR MORE important than the result in many cases.
    The assassination of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife was critical in setting off the chain of events that led to the First World War. Not only was it a bad day for the Archduke and his family, but also a bad day for Europe.
    Do we choose to remember the result and not the cause. Is the 'wife' Ever mentioned? (Rhetorical) My point is the events in their entirety must be judged not just the outcome.

    North Korea may well be the same as it was before the UN was embroiled in Korea, but what had it not?
    Just a friendly reminder, in the past few hundred years others than Americans went to war under the banners of the UN or NATO or due to an ally nation under attack. We cannot ignore the causes or the combatants nor by unqualified judgment of the result.

    The causes are sometimes false as in Iraq as it turned out but often the threat -history or cause cannot be ignored .
     
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    If a strong government had been established in place of Hussein. That was the problem... many years later.
     
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    The major parts of the problem as I see them are:

    Saddam was Sunni and gave short shrift to the Shiite citizens.Hussein suppressed the political and economic aspirations Iraq’s Shi’a majority The ruling B’aath Party was filled with Sunni Muslims. This allowed Iraq’s Sunni minority 15-20% of the total population to have representation far greater than their numbers.
    The Kurdish Sunni minority in Iraq , did not support Hussein.

    Saddam was a despot. that needed to go.

    "The despot, known as Saddam, had oppressed Iraq for more than 30 years, unleashing devastating regional wars and reducing his once promising, oil-rich nation to a claustrophobic police state.

    For decades, it had seemed that his unflinching hold on Iraq would endure, particularly after he lasted through disastrous military adventures against first Iran and then Kuwait, where an American-led coalition routed his unexpectedly timid military in 1991.

    His own conviction that he was destined by God to rule Iraq forever was such that he refused to accept that he would be overthrown in April 2003, even as American tanks penetrated the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, in a war that has become a bitterly contentious, bloody occupation.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/30/world/middleeast/30saddam.html

    His lack of co operation with the UN or with efforts to reign him in fell on deaf ears,he didn't believe he'd be deposed since after all that had gone before he slithered free. Then he got hung. Too bad no 'go to' plan had been thought through.


    "All Muslims believe that there is no god but Allah, and that Mohammed was his last prophet. They believe the Koran, revealed to Mohammed, is the word of God. Beyond that there are relatively minor differences in the way each branch worships. Yet Sunnis (about 80 per cent of Muslims) and Shiites (15- 20 per cent) have often waged deadly sectarian war against each other; the latest such battle is developing now in Iraq.
     
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    we couldn't touch the SOB because of the UN resolution that said we could only free Kuwait/
     
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    The U.N. sucks. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
    Frank
     
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    nothing but a money making scam
     
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    People need to question and no just except what the media and government/intelligent are saying. The assets were in place to attach Afghanistan before 911 after 911 they showed that the terrorist mainly came from Saudi Arabia so the US attacked Afghanistan?? Then the intelligence and media got hot on Saddam even though he was a CIA asset. It seems the only thing he did wrong was not have a Rothschild bank and wanted to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars. Libya had the most advanced country in all of Africa and his people loved him. He found enough water to turn the desert into a garden of course this is what the UN hit first. He gave more of the riches of the country back to the people than any other country his mistake was he did not have a Rothschild bank and he wanted to make Africa a gold based currency. Syria has elected their president more than once and the people back him. His problem is he does not have a Rothschild bank he is also in the path of oil going from Saudi to Europe. The government / intelligentsia / media are telling you just what they want and it has nothing to do with the truth.
     
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