Growing Greens In The Garden.

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  1. Yvonne Smith

    Yvonne Smith Very Well-Known Member
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    This year, I am hoping to grow more greens than before. The ones that I planted last year didn't even sprout. I think that either the squrrels or the birds got the seeds, and then the spring rains washed the rest away.
    Whatever happened, they didn't grow.
    So, now I am starting the seeds inside. I have some of those explanding peat pellets, and started beets and the rainbow swiss chard and spinach in the house. So far, they are an inch or two tall, and looking good; sso once the rain settles down, I should be able to move them outside before long.
    I looked on eBay, and found collard greens, dinosaur kale, and red mustard greens and have ordered a packet of each of those.
    Both the kale and the mustard greens are supposed to get 2-3 feet tall, and the collards should be about the same, from what Bobby told me about growing them. I intend for the greens to be ornamental in the yard, as well as edible, and will plant more for a fall crop if all goes well with the spring ones.
    I am excited about the dinosaur kale, it is dark green, wrinkly, and actually looks kind of prehistoric.
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    Is that picture the dinosaur Kale, Yvonne? Does look interesting.
     
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    Yes, @Chrissy Page . That is the dinosaur kale. It is a very ancient type of kale, and has apparently been cultivated for over 2,000 years. The information said it grows 2-3 feet tall; but can actually get even taller than that.
    The called it a "palm kale", or something like that, because as it grows and you cut off the bottom leaves to eat, then it has a "trunk" and palm-like leaves fanning out at the top.
    I think that it will give the yard kind of a tropical look and I am hoping that it really grows good ! It is also called Tuscan Kale, and it is supposed to have an excellent flavor, and also be one of the most nutritious varieties of greens.
    Here is an informative article by Dr. Weil about dinosaur kale and also a picture of the giant red mustard. It is beautiful, too.

    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART03040/Tuscan-Kale.html
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    Thanks Yvonne, I'm liking the decorative aspect of it too. We do have palm trees in my neighborhood, so it's a good fit here. After reading about it seems mine will grow in the cool season which is winter. I actually have about 7 very big pots that I don't have anything in except dirt. In the winter time I wouldn't have to worry about watering them, which is why my pots don't have anything in them anymore, I'm away too much and whatever was in them would die in the summer.
     
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    My wife picked up some greens yesterday at Lowe's. Pepper plants, tomato, and some others, I forget right now. Pepper plants two years old are still loaded with flowers (blossoms?) in our garden. Mint and Rosemary growing profusely. The dangdest thing, though, are some strange-looking non-frond sprouts coming up out of the central core of the Date Palm now 3 years old. Real thick and wide, with no hint of spikes or needles, like the regular fronds. Are we about to get dates? Hooray! Love them! Frank
     
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    The kale does look interesting Yvonne, and I do use kale in stir frys sometimes, but like Chrissy, I am away from home too often to grow anything myself.
     
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    Do the red mustard greens have a different flavor, @Yvonne Smith? I still haven't done anything about planting the tomatoes or lettuce. I haven't been anywhere to pick up the supplies, although hopefully I will be at that type of store later in the month. I was going to order some items to be delivered via Walmart, but a few of them weren't able to be delivered, so I just cancelled the whole order and will pick them up in person. I really like the idea of growing my own beets, since those are a favorite, so I'll have to look into them. I hope you keep us posted with your gardening progress, it might spur me on.
     
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    @Terry Page , but at least your daughter lives in the house, when I leave there is nobody to take care of anything.
     
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    Yes true but she works long hours and doesn't have green fingers, all the house plants I had including the artificial ones have died :(;)
     
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    Okay, I understand. My daughter doesn't have a green thumb either and neither do I. The gardners in my family are my middle sister and my brother. You have to also enjoy it, which I don't.
     
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    What you need is an Aerogarden, @Chrissy Page . They almost totally take care of themselves, and you can grow all kinds of things in one of those.
    My daughter gets sent away fairly often; so she needed something that didn't depend on her being there all of the time, and she has tomatoes almost ready to eat in her Aerogarden now.
    The nutrients go right into the water, and you only have to add either one once a month or therabouts, so you could go off on your little trips and everything would be fine while you were gone, and it would be able to grow things for you all year long.

    @Diane Lane , as far as I know, the red mustard has the same hot and spicy flavor as the green mustard does, and it is all related to horseradish, I think. I have never even seen any at the grocery store or even at the farmer's market; so I haven't tasted it.
    Once the seeds get here and I have some that is large enough to try, I will let you know what I think about it. I am hoping to have plants that are edible and also add to the landscaping of the yard; and these looked like they would be awesome to have growing in some large containers in the yard.
    I love getting seeds from eBay !
    They have almost anything that you might want to grow, and the prices are usually cheaper (and more seeds) than you would find just buying them at the store.

    Here is a picture of Robin's tomatoes in her aerogarden.
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    I still have all kinds of questions though, who will pick whatever I'm growing if I'm not home, etc? It enough that my neighbor gets all my junk ads that are always put on my porch or driveway, I'm not going to ask them to pick my tomatoes.
     
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    I am still I interested in the dinosaur kale, @Yvonne Smith. I think that is doable for me and I like that decorative aspect and also curious to taste.
     
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    Those little tomatoes are adorable, @Yvonne Smith. I'm way behind on my garden this year. I don't recall the stink bugs being on my tomato plant, but my memory is so bad that's probably not surprising. Maybe that's why I didn't grow them last year. I love horseradish, so the red mustard greens sound like something I'd like. I bought some flower seeds on eBay a few years back. They sent me the wrong ones, so I got a really unique red spider lily (or something like that) instead of the blue angel trumpet I ordered, but it was still pretty.

    @Chrissy Page Maybe your neighbors would like picking and eating your tomatoes? I wouldn't mind doing that, even if I left most of them at your house, assuming you'd be back in time to eat them. There's nothing like fresh produce!
     
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    True about the taste of fresh produce,especially tomatoes. My trips are usually a month long unless I'm going to my daughter's then it varies.
     
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    I think that being gone for a whole month would be a bit too long , even for an aerogarden, @Chrissy Page . So the best thing might be waiting until fall and planting some dinosaur kale , or other plant that thrives in winter, and then you do not have to worry about it if you are gone.
    Once mine is planted and growing, I can post pictures of what it actually looks like in my yard, and we will have a better idea of whether it might work for you as both an edible plant, and a yard ornamental.
    My seeds have not arrived yet; but should get here in the next couple of days, and I am looking forward to growing them and seeing how they all turn out.

    I don't remember seeing the stink bugs on my tomatoes, or any other plant before either, @Diane Lane . I guess the main time that I actually noticed them was when one came buzzing into the house and night and landed on the lamp beside me. They are just the smelliest and ugly things. I read that they are from somewhere in Asia, too; so they must have come over in some kind of produce.
    I can't imagine them being imported for any kind of a purpose; and I am sure they would hate them over in Asia, too.
     
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    My dinosaur kale and red mustard seeds arrived today. The ebay seller had advertised a BOGO for half price; but I accidentally got charged the whole price for both packets of seeds.
    He sent me a little note and apologised, and said that he instead included double the amount of seeds that I had ordered; so I was exceedingly pleased with that, of course !
    I really love getting my seeds and plants on ebay. They have just about everything you might ever want to grow, the prices are good, and the shipping is fast.
    I just got another one of those grow kits with the peat pellets, o i can start some of the kale and mustard greens tonight.
    The tomatoes and pepers in the Aerogarden are starting to leaf out as well, and in another week or so, I can transplant them and start new seedlings in there.
     
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    I'm looking forward to seeing the progress of the kale, Yvonne. I don't get excited about gardens too much or too often but the Dinosaur kale has me hooked so far. I like that it's not a summer crop here, that's problematic for me.
     
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    I got what little potting soil I bought into the tomato pot and topped off a few of my other plants. Hopefully next week i can get some more potting soil and then can start putting in a few plants. I just found my seed packets, and am going to go through them in a bit, to decide what I want to plant, besides the tomatoes. I still have to clean out the pots downstairs, but I'm waiting until the storms pass and the weather dries out, since I'll have to carry them through the carpeted house, upstairs, and out to the balcony. Sometimes I wish I had a set of stairs leading to the balcony, but most of the time I like not having them, for security purposes. I hope you keep us posted with pictures showing progress @Yvonne Smith, that might spur me on.
     
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    The kale and red mustard have sprouted; but they are both looking pretty puny thus far. I think we just need some more sunshine and they will perk right up and look better.
    I have some pepper plants that will be large enough to transplant out of the aerogarden maybe as soon as this weekend, and once I do that, i am going to start a few more of the kale in the aerogarden. It really seems to help everything get off ot a much better start than just planting in the little peat pellets or even in potting soil.
    I also started some four o'Clocks, and they have sprouted and look awesome. I thought they might be the kale until i looked at my planting chart to see which row was which.
     
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    My wife just sowed kale seed into one of the raised beds, also carrot, lettuce and radish seed
     
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    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who forgets what I planted where @Yvonne Smith. I usually just stick the label from the package in the dirt of the pot, since I put one 'crop' in each pot. I put in some tomato and carrot seeds yesterday. I'll probably only add a few more, probably lettuce and maybe beets, since I love those, or something else easy. I found an herb seed kit in my bag of seed packets, but I'll have to think about where I could put those. I tried mint last year on the balcony, but it died up when I forgot to water it. I really just need easy care plants.
     
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    I used to put the package in the container so I would know what I planted, and unless the packet gets ruined or lost, then I can tell what was planted there.
    Now, I have two methods that I use more often. I got a packet of plastic silverware spoons, and I write what was planted on the spoon, and stick the handle in the dirt. I also try to put a date if there is room.
    That way, if something doesn't sprout, I can replant more.

    I also have been writing on a piece of notepaper when I plant seeds in the aerogardens, and that way I can tell what is supposed to be growing in there.
    The ones I have the most trouble with are those large trays that hold the peat pellets. They hold about 72 pellets in each one; so I plant each row different, and then write down on my paper what i am putting in each row.
    Sometimes, I still can't tell which is which, especially when the sprouts all look about the same.

    Definitely, some dinosaur kale and a few more of the red mustards are going to get started next in the aerogarden.
     
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