Grape Vine

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    We bought a grave vine in a soft plastic bag. After planting in the backyard, we planned on erecting a trellis so the vines can climb. However, when we computed for the cost, it seemed not practical to have a steel trellis. What if the grape wouldn't bear fruit? So now the grape vine is growing fine and has some small branches that are starting to crawl so we will just install a trellis made of bamboo, that's much cheaper.

    Do you have any recommendation or advice on the proper caring of a grape vine? Take note that grapes are not common here albeit a novelty particularly the seedless variety.
     
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    I don't have any knowledge on the subject, but my grandmother had a lovely structure in her backyard that we called The Grapevine. The grapes were there for ages, since my mom was a child, and although they had seeds, they were small seeds, and the grapes were tasty, but a bit tart. No one picked them much, and apparently as they aged, the birds would eat them and become intoxicated. There are lots of pictures online, and since I don't have a pic of my grandmother's grape vine handy, this is the closest one I could find.
     

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    @Diane Lane, I am amused and curious with that intoxication of the birds. You are giving me the impression that those grapes have turned into wine, hahahaaa. When my husband went to the US, he had visited an uncle who had a grapevine in the backyard. The vine was heavily fruiting with the green variety that is seedless. Unfortunately, the grapes were still young and not ready for picking. His uncle said that it will take a month before the harvest time - that was in LA and my husband left for the bay area the following week.

    Now with our grape vine, the vendor insisted that it is the seedless variety but do not believe him. The seedless grape is unheard of in this country although we have lots of the fruits in the groceries and supermarkets.
     
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    We had an old cloths line in our backyard that was made with the metel T on each end and strung with wire. When we got an electric cloths dryer, my mom no longer hung the laundry on it so she planted a grape vine on each end. The vines thrived and produced the red seedless variety. They were really tasty and I do not remember my mom doing anything to care for the vines other then prune them occasionally. She used the young leaves to make dolmas, a Greek dish that wrapped a meat filling in the grape leaves similiar to stuffed cabbage leaves. They were really good and we looked forward to having them with sour cream every year.
     
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    Yes, I don't know about wine making, but the birds would apparently become intoxicated from eating the grapes that had been left on the vine.

    As children, we used to take amusement in peeling the grapes and telling one another they were eye balls :eek:
     
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    @Diane Lane, I can imagine when you were kids, playing with grapes before eating. Over here, don't you know that grapes used to be priced higher than gold? Imported fruits like apples abound during the Christmas season. I would see them in carts (carrying about a thousand apples) in the city streets. Chestnuts were also in the scene when you go to the city. But grapes, that is the rarest thing at the time. I could only see grapes when we go to the house of my father's boss who is very rich. There on the table was a bunch of grapes resting on the plate. And grapes were not seedless then.

    In 1986, when my husband worked in London for 4 months, he came home with about 5 kilos of grapes, different variety and all seedless. At the time, seedless grapes can only be seen in magazines.
     
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    My mom had a chain link fence that she trained the grape vines to grow on, they did well on the fence.
     
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    @Pat Baker we are thinking of installing a mesh wire or cyclone wire for our grape vine to cling on. This morning we cleaned the surrounding and installed 2 bamboo poles for the post but we didn't complete it because the posts may not stand firmly. So now we are considering to buy iron bars for that purpose. My husband said that grape he bought is now giving him a problem, hahahaaa. From what the attendant in the nursery store said, the vine is a seedless grape and it will bear fruit in one year. But I don't believe it for now.
     
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    Diane, we used to do the same thing when we were kids! My Grandma's neighbor had a concord grape vineyard, and the concords made the BEST "eyeballs!" :D Also old old grapevines were great for swinging on! We would swing across ravines on them. It's a wonder my cousins and I survived childhood!:D
     
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    Haha @Brittany Houser I'm picturing y'all swinging through the jungle, like Tarzan. @Corie Henson It's so funny how something can be rare in one place, and pretty common in another. I'm sure grapes weren't as prevalent back in the times of our parents as they are now, which was probably why my Grandmother had the vines. No doubt fruit was scarce, and expensive, so I'm sure many more people grew their own produce than do now, although it seems to be swinging back in that direction.
     
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    @Diane Lane, one thing that amuses me about a place is the fruit. When I first went abroad for a tour in Hongkong, I was really sad because we did find seedless grapes in one grocery but not that fresh anymore so we bought some for eating and not for bringing home. But I was also glad when we saw fresh cherries. That's the first time I have seen those small red fruits with small pit and a long stem that I used to see only in pictures.

    In the recent years when we went to Bangkok, there was a yellow plum that I forgot the name. It was sweet and tasted like a mix of plum and apricot. I think we had eaten more than 2 kilos of that fruit. And not to forget that Thailand has those sweet tamarind and exotic durian.
     
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    While I like how the vines of grapevine spreads through a garden, I can't help to say that I prefer grapevines converted into a bottle of wine, which are easier to care for until they are gone with the wind in a drinking afternoon :D
     
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    Since I was so busy with work in the past 2 weeks, I am really quite surprised this morning when I saw the grave with 3 separate vines looking for something to crawl on. Gee, it's been a while since we had planned to buy a mesh for a trellis and until now it remains a plan. I hope we will have time this afternoon to go to the hardware for that, to give the grapevine a home of its own.

    Incidentally, I brought a kilo of grapes yesterday to the office and shared it with my colleagues. Since I used to bring fruits whenever would have a good harvest - mangoes, dragon fruit, sugar apple, cashew, etc - one colleague remarked that our grapevine is truly fruitful and green grapes at that and seedless too. That got me thinking, grape is a rarity here and when our grapes would bear fruit, I'm sure it will be interesting to everyone.
     
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    I hope y'all will be able to get the mesh or other type of trellis soon. It'd be fun to document the process here, so we can all enjoy it @Corie Henson
     
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    I had been to several hardware store but I didn't find that mesh I was looking for. Gee, the grape vine now has grown 3 long vines that seem to be looking for a trellis to climb on. But it had to wait until we find that mesh because that is the best trellis for that grapevine that is planted in a small planter box. We are not giving it any fertilzer for now so it will not grow fast but it is growing fast maybe because of the rains.

    @Diane Lane, we can buy a kilo of seedless grapes of the best quality in the grocery. But my husband had bought this grape vine just for the novelty of it. That's also why we have dragon fruit which is fruiting right now and being admired by friends. How about the miracle fruit that we have, well, I guess that's another story.
     
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    Our grape vine is growing fast maybe because of the fertilizer that we regularly give - the water used to wash meat and fish from the market. We had clipped a twig and some small ones are growing in the lower part. The farmer we consulted said that the vine would bear fruit when it becomes as thick as my smallest finger. That is the logic for trimming the new stems so the primary stem will be thicker. We are hoping to see some fruits next year, at least before Christmas next year.

    From our initial plan to put up a trellis, we had saved money by using a bamboo pole where the vine can crawl. IMG_5958 grape balag.JPG
     
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    I have vineyards all around me, the closest being about a mile away but I haven't really looked closely at them.

    Also have an olive orchard close by ...have you ever tried an olive right off the tree? YUCK...hard and very bitter.
     
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    Gee, it seems like you have a very nice place there. I can imagine the scenery with the vineyards. In tv documentaries that I had seen, grapevine is planted in rows and the crawling vines are restricted in the desire position that coincides with the post. That is what we are doing now, trimming the vines to restrict the growth outward.

    I didn't know that olive is not palatable. Do you mean to say olive is only good when pickled?
     
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    This is an old thread which can remind us of when we had planted our grape vine. Just before lunch today, my husband called me to show the small grapes in one branch. I have noticed that the leaves are smaller now so I pointed that to my husband this morning. He said that grapes with smaller branches and leaves may be ready for fruiting. We didn't know that the vine had 2 bunches of grapes already. He was just cleaning the backyard of small slugs that were eating the leaves of the grapes when he saw those 2 bunches.

    Here is the pic.... IMG_2995 ubas.jpg
     
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    How long ago did you plant them Corie? I was under the impression that grapes took a few years to produce like most fruits. I have a trellis too, and have always tried to figure out what to grow on it. However, I am hoping I will not have to figure out what to grow on it. I am hoping to be out of here. If I was oing to sta,y I would plant grapes though. It would be a lot of fun to make my own wine, using my own grapes.
     
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    It's great to see that they are producing already. They don't look quite ripe enough to eat, but it probably won't be long. Will y'all try making wine from some of them? I'm not that patient, but I might try making some jam if I had grapes or berries growing here.
     
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    Here is the latest on our grapes. It has 2 bunches with 8 grapes each. It's nice to look at the ripening grapes as they change in color from green into reddish. Here is the pic I took last week.... IMG_3609 ripe ubas.jpg

    Unfortunately, we didn't know that birds relish ripe grapes and we were surprised but not really peeved that the grapes were vanishing one by one. Now there is only 1 grape left in the vine, all of the other 15 are gone and I know those birds are happy with their bounty.
     
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    Maybe in the future if you don't want the birds eating them, you could protect them with some sort of netting over them that would still let the sun in? I recall the birds eating the overripe grapes at my grandmother's, but I don't think many other than my siblings and myself at those grapes. I'd be interested to hear how these tasted. They sure look tasty!
     
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    I like the way grape vines look when they are growing. At one time I was going to have my deck enclosed, and couldn't quite decide between a screened in porch or an arbor. I love places that have outdoor arbors with grape vines growing on them, they look so stylish, and yet retro at the same time. Anyway, ran out of money so neither project got done! Enjoy your grapes Corie. You are a busy little bee!
     
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