Global Warming, Or Another Ice Age?

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  1. Yvonne Smith

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    Even though they have been telling us over and over that we are having global warming, the weather is actually getting colder every year.
    I was listening to Caravan to Midnight, and John Casey was the guest speaker. He has been involved in both the climate change situation, as well as one of the main people from the space agency. His information was very different that what the media tells us about climate change.
    He explained that the sun has several warming-cooling cycles, and right now, we are in a cooling cycle. The last 4-5 winters have been very cold, hard winters, noot only here in the United States; but also in other parts of the world. Some places that do not usually get snow have had snow. We have storms that they sy are the worst ones in the last 100+ years, and he says that this will continue to get worse for the next several years.
    This video is not as complete as what he was able to share on the CTM program; but it will certainly give you a good idea of what he was telling us about the climate.

     
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    Global warming refers to average global temperatures. It includes extreme lows and extreme highs, which overall produce a warmer average in world terms. The ice caps would not be melting if the earth was getting colder.

    'Global warming' and 'climate change' are both misnomers. It's true that there are natural cycles and extreme weather will always occur and temperatures will change, but it's also a fact that for the past few centuries we have been releasing industrial emissions at a rate that has never happened before.

    If we don't act to reduce carbon emissions, the climate will change faster than it has at any time previously. In previous cycles there were far fewer humans, or no humans trying to survive on the planet. Future generations will wonder why more was not done to slow down climate change when we had the chance.
     
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    Which carbon emissions caused the previous ice ages that the earth has experienced?
     
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    I don't claim to be a scientist so I'm not exactly sure how much of our toxins actually affect our climate. I do know that all of our emissions and waste that we use definitely messes with the atmosphere in a negative way. We are slowly destroying the Earth and as of now we don't have any other place to go so this is all we have. Ruth is right in the fact that future generations will probably be wondering why we didn't do more to stop the degradation.
     
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    Taking care of the planet and preserving our air and water is one thing. Climate changing is something else entirely.
    The sun has cycles of activity, and non-activity, cycles of warming and cycles of cooling. These have happened for millions of years, and will continue to happen.
    Ice in Antarctica is increasing , not melting. There were several ships with ice breakers on the front that were going to Antarctica, and the first one was going there specifically to check the ice situation, but the ice was freezing around them, even out where they expected to be safe. Several other ice breaker ships went to rescue the first ship, and it took them several weeks (if i am remembering right) before they managed to get all of the ships back out.
    Polar bears are increasing at a rapid rate, and even taking over some of the territory where other bears live.
    Not only that, but we have more active volcanoes than we have had in a long time, and each time that they spew out ash into the air, it keeps heat and light from coming through, and also makes the planet colder. Just the ash from Mt. St. Helens affected the temperatures for a year or two.
    If the oceans are getting colder, that might even explain part of the reason that some of the sealife are dying off, or even coming into shallow, warmer waters.
    I am not suggesting that we should not try to live cleaner on this earth; and I think that we have polluted our waters, as well as the air, and even the soil.
    But, I think the earth will continue to go through its cycles whether man is living on the earth or not.
     
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    Carbon emission do not cause climate change, but previous changes in climate happened over longer periods. It probably took thousands of years for the ice age to happen. The present changes are happening very fast because of all the gunk we have been churning out into the air. We are causing polar ice to thaw faster than it would have done in any previous era.

    Air pollution might not be the direct cause of all the extreme weather we experience but there is enough evidence to show that carbon emissions are doing irrepairable damage to the climate that sustains us.
     
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    Here is an interesting article by Barbara Hollingsworth, and published by CNSNews, that refers to a scholarly paper that explains why predictions made by climate computer models used by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are so badly exaggerated. The author of the article is Dr. Wei-Hock Soon, a solar physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

    Reference: Harvard-Smithsonian Physicist: Computer Models Used by UN Overstate Global Warming

    Coauthored by Lord Christopher Monckton, David Legates, and William Briggs.

    Monckton said, "The billion-dollar climate models that have so profitably predicted Thermageddon are hopelessly wrong."

    "We said the models were wrong because they were using a rogue equation borrowed from electronic circuitry and bolted on to the climate, where it does not fit. That equation, and that alone, leads the modelers erroneously to triple the small and harmless 1-degree Centrigrade global warming we should expect from a doubling of CO2 in the air."
     
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    My thoughts on global warming:

    The earth has been warming, the ice melting, and the oceans rising since the last ice age. Many civilizations that came along during that 15,000 year period, as many today, have built major cities along the coasts. In recent years the remnants many such ancient cities have been discovered in many parts of the world offshore along coasts under varying depths of water. There have been several ice ages in earth's history and of course followed by GLOBAL WARMING. It was not and will not be, the end of civilization. How much of the land mass might be under water from this GLOBAL WARMING period will depend on how long it lasts until the next cooling period which could lead to another ice age. Scientists were predicting a new ice age less than fifty years ago.

    Yes, GLOBAL WARMING is happening, and has been happening for 15,000 years or so. Did humans contribute to it in the past? NO! Are humans contributing to it now? NOT MUCH if any.

    Things change! Those that adapt to the changes are the ones who survive.

    If it worries you, sell your house by the sea and move to higher ground.
     
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    I don't particularly like the name global warming. Because if the truth be told there is more going on here then just warming the earth. I prefer the term climate change, because that does sum it up. Yes, we can say that this isn't actually happening as the Antartic continues to melt. As the strange unpredictable weather continues to occur throughout the world. Yes, maybe we always had harsh weather in the past, but I don't remember anything to this extreme at least not in my lifetime.
     
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    Yeah, I would consider a couple of ice ages to qualify as "harsh weather," and the ice formed and melted more than once long before the invention of any of the man-made devices or interventions that are now being blamed for global climate change. The only reason the climate changeists prefer "global climate change" to "global warming" is that they were wrong about their predictions of global warming. Using "climate change" instead, they can claim that their alarmist nonsense predictions are correct no matter what happens with the climate.

    Of course the climate is changing. That is what the climate has always done, and has been doing long before people inhabited the earth.
     
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