Frank Wants These Forms Removed

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  1. Hal Pollner

    Hal Pollner Very Well-Known Member
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    They have been in place for 18, 16, and 13 years, when the 3 slabs were poured.

    They will stay.

    Hal
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  2. Chrissy Cross

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    What forms? Which Frank?
     
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    Hal, I think @Frank Sanoica was just trying to make polite conversation, and demonstrating that he read your post, by pointing out something he noticed.
     
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    Obviously I missed it all...don't know what's going on. :)

    But I don't need to anyway.
     
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    Me neither.
     
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    Not possessing the powers of reading minds, I have no idea what Frank said or thinks. lol!

    My own observation of the picture and the dates referenced indicates the boards remaining in place are a building code violation that is in place in all 50 states (59 for those who think Obama was perfect).

    Knowing that building contractors are some of the most stringent believers in building codes [wink,wink], I would surmise these boards were part of a construction plan from a non licensed contractor, handyman, home owner. Most localities allow for the homeowner to make "adjustments" to their abode, with certain limited restrictions.

    Unless there is an insurance rider in place for termite or other pest damage, then I doubt anyone is going to care about those boards... until time to sell the home. At that time, more than termites come crawling out of the woodwork.
     
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    I though Obama said 57 states. :)

    If California splits it will be getting close. Hahaha
     
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    It's hard to tell. You've got to do the math. In talking about his campaign, he said he had been in 57 states, one left to go. Then he said, Alaska and Hawaii, we weren't allowed to go to, so that could mean as many as 60.

     
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    That confused me as well, so I just had to accept he considered Alaska and Hawaii as being one state. I've never been to either, so for all I know... Palin can see Hawaii from her porch.
     
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    @Hal Pollner In the OP to which I casually (so I thought) made the remark about the forms, I could only see the forms about the perimeter, likely 2X4s, which normally are removed to allow backfilling of earth clear up to the concrete pad. @Harry Havens remark is well-taken. Building codes forbid the inclusion of any non-masonry material within concrete structures intended to provide structural support, such as foundation footings. Wooden forming to outline and perform support for poured concrete slabs is permitted, and almost universally-used by the small-project operator while metal forms are used for big projects. Whether removal of perimeter forms is required by codes, I dunno. Certainly a building inspector would frown upon, and discredit, the finding of wood materials included in slab-work.

    I learned the above the hard way while building our own custom home outside Phoenix, where I mixed and poured all the concrete used in the foundation, slab and mortar for the brickwork. Having observed workers pouring footings, I knew they often got away with simply tossing the required two reinforcing rods into the hole, then pouring the concrete in on top of them. Such practice did not result in proper location of the rods at all. Engineering beam theory suggests the rods be located about midway between the center and bottom of the beam, where they will be stretched in tension under loading. To ensure location and prevent their movement, in my ignorance of code, I installed the rods nailed to short sections of 2X4, down in the trench. Building Inspector left note: "Remove all wood from trench".

    Here I am finishing the brickwork of the garage:
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    Below, the completed house. Right of it, the block/brick veneer wall being constructed which extended to the garage, which was detached from the house by about 40 feet.
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    Building the house was the single-most significant effort of my lifetime of making things. To the very right above, my small cement mixer may be partly seen. It mixed 1 wheelbarrow-full, about 300 lbs, of concrete at a time, the materials being loaded by using a 5-gallon bucket filled from piles. The effort was monumental; I mixed and poured a total estimated 90,000 lbs. of concrete and laid 12,500 red bricks, veneering the entire house and garage. I was in the best physical condition then probably ever. Took 3 years to complete, started in 1985, when I was 43. Only part I didn't do myself was installing of the septic tank.
     
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    Were they installed at three different times?
     
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  12. Hal Pollner

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    I'm sorry, Chrissy, but I am not at liberty to divulge any further information concerning the matter.

    Yours,
    Hal
    YES! That's why I mentioned the dates of 18, 16, and 13 years ago...3 different times, get it?

    One was a Telescope pad, the large one was for an above-ground Pool, and the most recent was for a another Telescope pad to use when the Pool was up.

    Hal
     
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  13. Frank Sanoica

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    @Hal Pollner
    Well, I thought when I made the now infamous remark about removing forms, that I by then knew enough about your character to judge that you would know I was "funnin' " about them. Now, after going round and round, I'm not sure whether YOU are funnin', or dislike my remark enough to take it this far!

    Rest assured, Hal, your forms may be done with as you see fit. I have little real interest in "telling you what to do with your forms"............
    Frank
     
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  14. Hal Pollner

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    Ten Four, Frank!

    I didn't know that you were "funnin' ", or I wouldn't have felt "miffed" at your attaching such importance to cement forms and ignoring that powerful 17.5" 195-pound expensive Astronomical Reflecting Telescope that I was so proud of!

    I hope we're synchronized again...:rolleyes:
    Hal
     
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