Forensic Files

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  1. Ken Anderson

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    I just learned that I was on Forensic Files in January of 2015, from a rather messy murder trial years ago, when I was a paramedic. They have someone else (not even the same sex) playing my part in the re-creation, but my photo is shown at least twice. I haven't watched it all the way through yet so I don't know if they will show me on the stand, as I was also called as a witness during the trial.



    Later, having watched it all the way through, my photo (the same photo) is shown several times but I don't show up anywhere else. There were a lot of interesting things about the case that they didn't pick up on, though.
     
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    I'd like to see you in there, but I can't sit through much of this. Can you post a freeze frame?
     
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    I guess the verdict is ...that Art doesn't imitate Life!;)
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    LOL, I met him once, Art Garfunkle. He was teaching math at a school in Litchfield. He came into the bar where I was with friends and gave me his autograph. I can't imagine now, why I wanted it.
     
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    The photo is shown in the first minute of the video.
     
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    I didn't recognize you, sorry.
     
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    Ken, you are the guy on the right?
     
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    Looking at this, I would guess the guy on the left.
     
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    So would I, mind you Ken looks different in every photo I have seen ;)
     
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    I just hope it's not the guy in the middle!
     
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    I'm the one on the left. That's Craig Zimmerman, who was my partner that day, on the right.
     
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    lol1.gif
     
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    Interesting, Ken! I watch FF quite often.
     
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    A few things that they missed in this story.

    They missed the fact that Wade, one of the lawyers who represented Susie Mowbray in her re-trial, was her son from her first marriage. While his mother was in prison, he completed law school and went on to represent his mother’s successful appeal. They’d have probably mentioned that if they knew it, so I’m thinking they never learned that, probably since he had a different last name.

    They did mention that the blood splatter expert who testified during her first trial, when she was convicted, was incorrect in his conclusions, but they didn’t mentiont hat he later went to prison for falsifying his testimony in another case.

    Interestingly, they didn’t mention that one of the prosecutors in her original trial committed suicide, leaving a rambling note that mentioned innocent people being sent to prison.

    I was on the stand for about forty-five minutes. I was called as a witness for the prosecution, although I never believed that it was a murder. No one at the time seemed to suspect murder, although Susie Mowbray was acting inappropriately.

    For example, we were the first on the scene. One of our EMTs was a constable so he was the first law enforcement on the scene. When we arrived, she was answered the door with a smile on her face and a drink in her hand, as if nothing really serious was going on. Then she told us he was upstairs, and where we’d find the bedroom, but did not come up with us.

    My testimony was focused on the blood splatter. After first instructing me to answer yes or no to the questions asked, and not to elaborate, they asked me if I noted blood on the patient’s hands.

    My answer was no, but I had already told attorneys from both sides that I was focused on the gunshot wound in his head, and the fact that he had quit breathing shortly after we arrived. I was alone in the back of the ambulance and, with everything else that I had to do, I could not complete a full assessment. Subsequently, I hadn’t even noticed the gunshot wound in his hand.

    So my answer of no to the question of whether I had noted blood on his hand was made to appear as if I were testifying that he did not have blood on his hand, when the truth was that he probably did, as there was blood everywhere.

    Then again, from the photo taken early after our arrival, his right hand doesn’t seem to have blood on it. By the time he got to the hospital, it probably did because there was a lot of blood around.

    I thought the surely the defense attorney would follow up by asking me questions that would allow me to give a complete answer, but he did not.

    From his injuries, he had no chance of survival, and today we would have called it there at the home. However, our protocols at that time required us to work it regardless, since he was making efforts to breathe, and there was a rhythm on EKG, although we could not palpate a pulse.

    The prosecutors made a big issue of her cleaning up the bedroom so early after the shooting but I don’t think anyone suspected murder at the time, they had not declared it to be a crime scene, and I don’t think I’d want to leave a bloody bedroom as it is for long.
     
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    Since I had taken another thread off-topic, I have moved several posts from another thread, about Jury Service, here. I was the one who took it off-topic, so I have fixed it. -- Ken Anderson

    That's exciting...you saw a murder??
     
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    No, I was among the first two people on the scene of a murder. The ambulance beat the police there but not really, because my partner was a constable. This one.



    I am pictured more than once (the same picture) in this episode of Forensic Files, although they have actors playing the part in the reenactment. They didn't call me for the retrial.
     
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    Yes, and Craig Zimmerman is on the right.
     
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    Did you think she did it or was it suicide?
     
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    Everyone was thinking suicide at the time, although his wife was acting oddly. As someone mentions in the Forensic Files episode, she didn't act the least concerned. A drink in one hand and a cigarette in the other, she greeted people at the door as if she were having a party. Also strange was that her 16 year-old son, who later became a lawyer who fought for her retrial, supposedly slept through the whole thing. It was a big house, but not that big of a house. It did look like a suicide, though.
     
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    I just watched that video.. @Ken Anderson ..


    How odd that both the blanket and his T shirt went missing, and that she was having a painting party just hours after he died...


    She comes across as a thoroughly dislikeable personality...
     
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    We probably cut the tee shirt off of him so that we could assess his injuries, and left a portion of it intact. The tee shirt probably got tossed with all of the other bloody stuff when we cleaned the ambulance.

    As for the rest, the police did not consider it to be a crime scene at the time that the shooting occurred. Since there was no designated crime scene or tape that would put anything off-limits, I am not surprised that she wanted to get the mess cleaned up before the whole house was swarming with flies.

    No, I thought they were wrong when they tried to make that out to be something wrong on her part. Neighbors who offered to help her clean up the mess were threatened with arrest, but were never arrested because the police neglected to establish it as a crime scene. She seemed odd to me, but I didn't see anything that indicated anything other than a suicide.
     
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    Did she ever collect on the life insurance policy? They don't pay if it's suicide though...right?
     
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    In Texas, they do, as long as the suicide takes place two years or more after the policy is taken out. I am guessing she probably collected on it after her acquittal, but it was withheld at the time because she was being tried for the murder.
     
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