Does This Look About Right

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  1. Chris Ladewig

    Chris Ladewig Well-Known Member
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    That wasn't written by him.....

    From Snopes....


    The above-quoted list of steps for "How to create a social state" is another example of a political attempt to tie the names of Saul Alinsky with those of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. But the list is not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, nor does it even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This list is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece that was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky's name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written).

    I'm sure most will say Snopes is liberal biased but you can check the facts yourself.
     
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    I believe you I just took it off facebook. I have no idea who Saul Alinski is but this list is exactly whats going on .
     
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    I don't really care who wrote it. It's the content of what's written.
     
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    I don't agree with all of that. Many countries in Europe have a few of those examples like universal healthcare,
    No guns, are less religious and they seem to be doing fine. The people living there have pretty good lifestyles
    And plenty of freedoms. Every country has some problems but in general I think the countries in Europe are doing better than the US.

    Even Canada can be used as an example. Healthcare and guns are like the example in the article. Don't know about religion in Canada but Canada is doing well also.

    None of these countries will become communist in my opinion.

    I can see the attacks coming already for what I said but I think too many have a closed view of other countries. Believe me I despise communism, had many family members suffering under it but the socialism that's seen in Canada or countries in Europe doesn't lead to communism nor has it.
     
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    @Chrissy Page "None of these countries will become communist in my opinion"

    What basic differences do you see existing between any of the countries you mentioned, including the United States, and existing Communist Governed countries today, as far as concerns the living conditions of average folks?
     
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    I have no experience in existing communist countries now, only of Hungary in the past.

    Everybody was equal, equally poor. You did have enough food and a job though, everybody worked some crap job. You didn't dare say anything against the govt. Ugly communist block apts sprung up everywhere. Don't think you could go to church.

    This is what I remember off the top of my head. No real goods, everything was crap. I remember my grandmother always sending clothes, meds, and other stuff to some family members...praying they wouldn't be picked over before they got them,
    When I visited in the 70's they didn't even have sanitary napkins for women....it was unbelievable.

    I can't remember if more or less children were encouraged but one or the other was.

    There was nothing on TV but communist propaganda or children's shows.

    There wasn't any crime though...at least nothing but beating your wife after getting drunk.
     
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    @Chrissy Page I should have been more explicit, sorry. I meant currently, in the world today. Things are much different in Communist countries today than the '70s. In visited Germany with my German-born wife in 1972, and East Germany was a virtual no-no then. Most border guards (we had a rental car), seeing a U.S. Passport, waved us through immediately. One winding, twisting road crossed between two countries so many times, each crossing having a guard shack, perhaps a dozen in 40 miles, it seemed. I think it was Austria and Germany, but forget.

    Frank
     
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    What's your question? I don't have first hand knowledge today of any communist countries.

    But I'm sure that the ones you would consider socialist in Europe aren't going to become communist.

    It's not a natural next step. I hear that said a lot but it's not true.
     
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    @Frank Sanoica , what communist countries of today do you have experience in beside what you hear or read?

    Also where is the leap from socialism to communism?
     
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