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Discussion in 'Education & Learning' started by Frank Sanoica, Mar 8, 2016.
Would the parents not have known long before then, that the girl was deaf?
Well, they were good parents who cared about their kids, but somehow they never picked up on it... and neither did her siblings, aunts/uncles/cousins/doctors/etc.
Re: your first sentence- and the 'before school programs,' 'after school programs,' and in some areas the push for year-'round schools. Teachers are expected to babysit and raise other people's kids.
I think any solution has to include encouraging young parents to be responsible for their own children- but they're pressured from every direction to NOT.
The idea these days is that the 'troubled' children need to be in with their 'normal' peers. I can recall one troubled child in particular when I was growing up. He and his brothers caused lots of problems, including burglaries, pulling fire alarms, etc. Another family consisted of the troublemakers who would later jump other children, beating them up and taking their money. In both cases, there were issues within the family structure. Other than that, we all sat in our seats, with some fidgeting and whispering, of course, but we walked to school, which used up some of the excess energy. We also for the most part, walked home at lunch, then back to school for the afternoon sessions, as well as having a short recess break.
In 'mainstreaming' the problem children, the entire class is disrupted. I think it can be good for the less disruptive children in Special Ed to be in with some of those in the regular classrooms, but I don't think it's a good idea to disrupt the majority for the minority. Additionally, many, if not most of those in Special Ed have aides assigned to them to keep them focused, restricted, if they're violent, take notes for them, etc. Think of how much all of that costs, and those are tax dollars paying for these programs. I think much of it would be unnecessary if parents cared, were able to be home with their children, and teach them discipline and values. That's assuming the parents have those qualities, of course, which many these days don't. I agree that in some cases, things were better back in our days when the cost of living was lower, and one working parent could cover the costs of housing, food, utilities, etc. Yes, we did without many of the extras we have these days, but that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
If anyone still believes the "Can't make it on one paycheck... even married women with little children must work to make ends meet... and the rise in cost-of-living is the reason daycare is so common...":
Not long ago, I ran into info that said- variations in locations, etc.- on average, parents who are not eligible for state-funded daycare (meaning: not low-income) can expect to pay more for one year of daycare than they'd pay for one year of college.
Upon checking, one location had on average $13,000 per year for daycare- and that was for the littlest kids, older kids cost more.
The next: $645. per WEEK.
And these were not locations with extremely high costs-of-living, either.
Plus, the average salary is currently said to be $71,000, and the average family composition is married couples with 2-3 children.
Anyone still believe daycare is primarily for low-income families because they 'need' two paychecks?!?
Oh, and notice how many advertise they take care of kids 'from birth'- like drop your baby off on the way home from the hospital and give someone else the responsibility from then on.
And the people who are having the most trouble: young couples who decide between themselves that the husband will support the family and the wives will take care of the children- they're attacked from every which-direction, the wives being told they're lazy parasites and the guys are told their wives are taking advantage of them.
Here is another thing that I think should never have been allowed as a method of treating ANY kind of childhood behavior problems, and that is electroshock treatment. They are trying to make it illegal, but it is beyond me why it could even be considered a safe and effective treatment in the first place ? ?
This is inhumane cruelty to do to a child, regardless of what the behavior problem is. They are saying that it helps in cases where the child is cutting themself, and similar situations.
I remember they had a similar thing that they were doing to people who were getting a weight-loss therapy, and when they showed them a piece of cake or other food that the person liked, then they also gave them a shock, and eventually the person was terrified of even seeing the food .
I guess it was effective; but still (even doing it to an adult), it was a cruel and abusive way to achieve the end effect.
@Yvonne Smith IMO, electroshock therapy is bizarre, at best, and barbaric, at worst. Having been the unfortunate recipient of numerous electric shocks over my lifetime, I can personally state that purposeful shock implementation is horrible for me to contemplate. Frank
I was thinking the same thing, when I was growing up, my mother had breakfast for us, if she didn't have time to make us eggs with beacon, and potatoes, she make us a smoothie, and that was very filling. I still make them, and I use to make them for my daughters before they went to school, it was fast and easy and I had to work. Another thing, schools, their lunch, has anyone ever since what is being severed at school? I used to work as an aid during lunch, and I was in shock, to see what the kids were eating, everything was out of a can or from the freezer. Burnt hot-dogs were given to the kids, I was surprise that some actually ate them. That when I decide I would make my daughter her lunch, this way I knew what she was getting.
The little girl that my daughter takes care of, that all she eats. lunchables, TV dinners, snacks all sweets, she gets an apple or an orange, which she doesn't eat. I've told him that I will make her breakfast, like the day before, yesterday, I made scrabbles eggs with hash browns and orange juice, yesterday I made some cream of wheat, toast and O.J. In the afternoon, I made some rice, bean and enchiladas, I guess that wasn't good enough for her. This morning when she was dropped off, she brought her own food. I made me and my daughter breakfast, and she ate what she brought. And we have notice that she's always in some kind of mood, always having problems with other kids, and she always has to have her way. When ever she plays a game with one of the kids it has to be her way, she cheats and when I tell her what she did wrong, she denies it. Like I mentioned before she doesn't like to be challenged on anything, she rather be on tablet than to learn something. (hope I didn't go off the topic).
Parents who have children in elementary should go see what is being served during lunch maybe they will take some time the day before and make their children a healthier lunch, or even have the kids help them make their lunch. When we were growing up we go home for lunch, one day I got to eat at school, and everything was freshly made, even in Jr. high school, their lunch were all freshly made, the tuna sandwich's were the best. Now that's what I call a good meal.
Most mornings, I had cereal, a half a grapefruit, oatmeal, Malt-o-Meal, or something along those lines. We usually only had a bacon, eggs and potato kind of breakfast on weekends.
Same here, when my husband comes home on the weekends I make a big breakfast, just like the you mentioned, as for myself I rather eat something with chili, like leftovers, or I can go through the day without eating. When I make eggs I add, onions, beans, Serrano's and cut up hot dogs, this is my meal during the week.
This is surprising to me - that medication for ADHD as amphetamine. I am not well versed with drugs, particularly illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine but we had an orientation in school and I remember amphetamine to be an "upper" - a drug that makes the person active. In fact, the most common illegal drug in our country is called shabu which is metamphetamine hydrochloride.
I wonder why doctors would prescribe such drug for an ADHD patient. My husband's nephew has an ADHD and he is now in America probably with that prescription too. The father said - they were here last January - his son who is now 22 years old is holding a job in a warehouse that is a program for ADHD patients. He is earning a little and good enough that he has a social life. Now, I imagine that nephew with that prescribed drug... it's scary.
In ADD or ADHD kids, the brain waves move slowly. That is why they always need to be doing something. They are unconsciously trying to make the brain waves move quicker (i.e. the same speed as nonADD/ADHD people). This is why this kids benefit from lots of physical activity like soccer. Ritalin (or similiar amphetamines) increase the speed of brain waves, thus calming the child cause he no longer needs to stimulate his brain.
Allow kids to have normal childhoods, and you'd see all of these so-called childhood mental health and behavioral issues virtually disappear.
Kids today are a) excessively structured, and b) under too much pressure. It's enough to make most kids burst apart at the seams.
@Janice Martin During the year I taught high school math, I asked some of the smarter young people who nonetheless displayed bizarre behavior related to appearance, why they were motivated thusly. One young man who messed with his hair rather ridiculously, defying school appearance code, told me the main reason was "peer pressure". Frank
Yes, I've heard about that, too; but what I was referring to was what I think has played a large role in today's public school mess- when the government learned
some foreign countries had better student performance, it became like some kind of stupid competition. No more recess, no more fun & games, gotta outdo
Agreed, and understood! Frank
Some kids grow out of ADD/ADHD while others do not. However, getting them involved in a sports activity they love will give them a coping skill they might need for the rest of their life. You must keep the brain waves active by being physically active.
Then again, we had a 12-year old who most definitely needed medications. Plural.
I wasn't convinced that his medications really helped, though.
I have a friend who has a child with ADHD. Aside from the medication, the child and the parents are undergoing psychotherapy sessions to address the child's condition. But then again, it is best to be recommended by the child's physician.
The teachers over the years were going to have my kids in speech therapy. They didn't like the way they answered questions. It's so short and curt they sound so angry but they have the right answer. Oh and not disruptive in class or gym,the only ones who didn't complain were the gym and math teachers. They have a dialect even though it was English they were speaking. The teachers were also going to have them in anger management. I'm saying WHAT... Telling the teachers, NO my kids are not angry, YES they have a dialect that is Russian. And if you want to change my husband and brother-in-laws just try it, NO they don't smile they don't feel the need too. But I'll make sure we have a talk with the boys and tell them to SMILE.
Marilyn, I feel for you. When my son was in high school, a counselor attempted to label him ADHD. Reason behind it? He gesticulated with his arms. Good grief, after almost twelve years of French Immersion, and a Celtic family, I would have been surprised if he didn't. I went to confront Ms. I read a book once.. Without first mentioning I was a psychologist, I explained the situation, gesticulating myself. Lol. Suggested that if my son had been female, nothing would have been said. She wouldn't back down until presented with my creds. So stupid.
Book smart, people hopeless. In your case, no accommodation was made for cultural differences. My Russian friend never smiled at me until we became friends, he considered it insincere. He also tends to speak in a concise fashion.
my kids have Sephardic Jew (Mediterranean) which is a mix of Spanish and French on my side of the family or where ever other Sephardic family's wound up after the Spanish Inquisition it could be Italy, Salonika (Greece) Big population in Morocco. They migrated that far east, if not farther and as far north as Holland, England and Scotland (where they have their own Scottish Klan plaid). and mostly Russian on my husband's side. They had Pip with all the things that were wrong as his brother's were to have, but inactive. They wanted to put him on Ritalin and I changed schools and went private school. I talked with the principal about it, she told me he didn't need that and was really disgusted hearing what they wanted to do. She told me to give him coffee in the morning with his breakfast. Did the trick
Awesome Marilyn, I am so pleased things worked out so well. It is sad that some peeps apply rigid standards of behaviour with no wiggle room whatsoever. Even as kids, our energy levels vary. My mom was high energy all her life, had a great career, kept busy well into her late eighties. No one thought there was anything wrong with her.
That's very interesting about your Russian friend not smiling at you and calling it insincere. I never knew that. My late husband was a forming engineer and had fellows that worked under him. They were scared of him, and asked me why he didn't smile and never talks in sentences just words? I'd tell them it was just his way, and didn't mean to be cold standoffish. Last thing he'd ever win would be a popularity contest lol. He was a genuine Jack Palance, in that movie City Slickers. Curley got respect and so did my husband, (even looked and talked like Palance). Palance is of Russian decent.