9-11 Conspiracies

Discussion in 'Conspiracies & Paranormal' started by Ken Anderson, Mar 23, 2016.

  1. Chrissy Cross

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    It doesn't offend me, Ken. It scares me that after all the debunking people still believe this. Who it offends would be people who's loved ones died in 911.

    I'm pretty sure you wouldn't allow me to post that the bible is a conspiracy theory.

    There's tons of material to show that.

    It's my anger and frustration at not being able to say what I want that was the point I was making but I have to skirt around the issue or
    I would offend a lot of you.

    It's the fact that the people who believes most of these things tend to be Trump supporters makes me realize how split the Republican Party is.

    I know lots of republicans and if they knew that people who believe in a flat earth or lizard people
    Or even a young earth are voting trump I think they will be upset too.

    Until I came here I didn't see any of this except for 911.
    Also scares me that these people have guns.
    Not so much the 911 ct but the other outrageous ones out there.
     
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    If you started a thread for that, certainly I would. What you believe or don't believe doesn't hurt anyone else.
     
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    Some things do hurt people's feelings, Ken.

    It would just anger people and there wouldn't be any point to it because I wouldn't change anybody's mind anyway.
    It would just be a waste of time.
     
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    I don't believe the government told us the truth about the Trade Tower attacks on September 11, 2001. I consider the official story to be just another conspiracy theory, and I don't believe any of them. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened on that day.
     
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    I agree with you Ken we might never know the real story. It is funny that people are so defensive if you ask questions about it.
     
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    Who's defensive? It's just that it's been 15 years and all the same questions that have been answered a hundred times still don't get through to the conspiracy theorists.
     
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    That's because the answers don't speak to the questions that have been raised. Repetition is enough for some people, who will eventually accept anything that they've heard repeatedly, but it's not enough for everyone. More effort has been placed on ridiculing or demonizing anyone who asks the questions than on actually answering the questions with answers that are satisfying.
     
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    I think they've all been answered by experts in the certain fields. I just think people aren't hearing the answers.
    Also if you're not an expert in a certain field
    How would you even know what's right or wrong.
    There's a lot of different sciences involved in the explanations.
     
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    I think the word conspiracy should be dropped, because I don't think everyone has the same definition for the word. If we just say this is a theory by so-and-so, or this is my theory, then it becomes something that we can weigh the different factors of all such ideas ourselves.

    It's sort of like religion. There are many of them. But I do like to hear what they say for myself, not just believe because someone famous said so.

    Remember when people got upset when it was first suggested that Colubus didn't find America first. The Texas education system blew up. Now that caused a bunch of different theories. Some even thought that was a conspiracy.

    But I do enjoy speculating on most ideas.
     
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    What I don't get is these people can't believe something they saw with their own eyes in NYC yet they'll believe a book written thousands of years ago by men who could have been eating some hallucinagenic plants
    Which I'm sure were in abundance back then
    And believe that God spoke to Moses who could have been hallucinating or mentally ill. I'm sure people had mental illinesses also and heard voices.

    This is all believable but seeing a plane crash into a building is not! Then to say that the plane didn't have passengers yet family
    Had people on these flights...it boggles my mind.
     
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  11. Chrissy Cross

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    Also if the purpose of these other false flags are to take away your guns and that's why Conspiracy theorist say the Boston marathon
    Bombing was staged, why does it happen in countries were the second amendment isn't even an issue.
    Other countries have real terrorism but we
    Stage ours??
     
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    This thread was about 911 not Boston or the bible. The thread you posted earlier that was to debunk only proves that they don’t know they demonstrate the pancake effect in the world trade building except in their demonstration the walls did not fall only the floors that did not happen the walls fell at the same as the floors. So in trying to debunk it they proved it was not what they said. I did check out the web site and had a good laugh at these so called experts. There is thousands of experts all around the world and when they are showed the building falling said it was a controlled explosion
     
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    I hear what your saying @Chrissy Page. I remember when I was told of the people that jumped out of buildings when they heard the radio program, War Of The Worlds. That "story" had many kinds of theories going for years, some even thought it was a conspiracy.

    Then there are people that still speculate that the Nazi concentration camps were just propaganda. Even with all the documentation of mass graves and the crematories that still stand today. Such people don't want to even believe the films of the atrocities.

    I do have to say that I thought there was much much more to the 9/11 events than what we were told by our government and the media. I don't think anyone doesn't believe that those planes didn't play a great part in the 9/11 disaster, but I too have many questions concerns those events. When I see or hear of differenent theories, (even the dumb ones), I get curious has to how they came up with that thought.

    If we don't question what we are told, or even see on TV, then we are just sheep following the leader. Just because we bring up these different theories doesn't mean that we actually believe them. Sometimes it's more of a matter of, 'Can you believe this?', or 'What is this about?
     
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    What thread are you talking about? I didn't post any websites here so don't know what your laughing at.

    There are too many to bother posting.
     
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    Just wait when someone you love is in a tragedy and people say it didn't happen and they laugh and laugh.

    I had you on ignore but took you off, putting you back on.
     
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    I'm not impressed by paid experts who will say whatever they're being paid to say. Several of the other theories that have been advanced for the 9/11 attacks are also made by experts. By accepting the official report, you're simply choosing to believe the government experts, who have the most to lose if the conspiracy theories are right. Let's keep the thread on topic, please. If you don't like the topic, create another.
     
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    I'm not impressed by people who are paid to say things either. I wasn't even talking about the official report.

    I'm not wasting time digging up and posting 100 links on here which you don't like anyway.

    You have the advantage anyway being admin, I can't say what I want.
     
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    Well then it proves it happened. Just that Saudia Arabia was behind it. That was never my issue or problem. My problem was people denying it happened. No planes, no passengers, etc.
     
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    If Trump is saying that there could have been a bomb also on the plane with the hijackers then I can believe that.

    If he's saying it was a controlled demolition, I may not vote. :(

    Did you see my post where someone personally knew one of the pilots on the flt that went down in PA or the Pentagon...forget which one.
     
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    where is the plane.jpg
    Where is the plane???
    Just hope we learn the truth some day
     
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    Does he really think a 300+ ton airplane, with that much momentum, is going to simply bounce off a building, any building? :rolleyes:
     
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    I'm usually up for a conspiracy theory and clearly this was the result of a conspiracy, in that it was well planned and carried out. While I also believe that there are a lot of things that will never come to light, I don't believe the conspiracies that the Bush Administration was responsible, that the CIA or deep state were responsible, or that Israel was responsible for it. I don't rule out that the Deep State may have had some involvement because those bastards are ruthless and the Twin Tower attacks fulfilled a lot of their goals.

    I know that our government knew that something was going to occur, although they did not know just when, because Michelle and I flew from Portland, Maine to Florida a couple of weeks before, and traffic was being stopped on I-95 between Millinocket and Bangor which, incidentally, is the route that some of the attackers are believed to have taken from Canada to the Portland Airport. The Border Patrol, state police, and sheriff's departments were there, along with dogs. Although they now do this periodically, since 9-11, they had not done so previously.

    In the airport, I even mentioned to Michelle that I was glad we weren't Muslim because they were shepherding everyone who even looked like they might be Muslim or Arab into rooms at the airport. So I believe that they knew that an Islamic terrorist attack was in play, and that it had something to do with airports. However, since this was two weeks earlier, I don't believe they knew when and, since they were trying to intercept them, I don't believe that the government did it. Deep state actors within the government possibly, but I'm not persuaded.

    When they tell you that only a minority of Muslims are terrorists, I don't doubt that one bit. This does not even mean that only a few crazy people within the various Islamic denominations and sects are terrorists, but that certain Islamic sects are more prone to such things.

    Large among them are the Wahhabis. The Wahhabis are a branch of Sunni Islam, concentrated in Saudi Arabia, and heavily funded by Saudi Arabia, which spends more money promoting the Wahhabis than the entire budget of Russia. Because they fund mosques, schools, and other Islamic institutions and programs all over the world, the Wahhabis have influence that far exceeds their numbers.

    Most Muslim denominations and sects view Christians and Jews as "People of the Book," who are to be protected, although as second-class citizens. To be the wrong kind of Muslim is more dangerous than to be a Christian or a Jew, as most Muslim groups will encourage of approve of death for Muslim heretics. Because of this, Muslims were mostly killing one another before the United States and other Western countries became involved in the Middle East.

    However, Wahhabi Muslims believe that Christians and Jews should be killed too. They also believe that it is okay for them to lie or to deny their faith and to pretend to be something other than what they are if it is in advancement of this goal, or as a defensive measure. So they might pretend to be members of some other Islamic sect, or to be something else, such as a Christian or a secular person.

    The Wahhabis are the more dangerous of the Islamic groups. By this, I don't mean to imply that every other Muslim is appalled to hear of Islamic terrorism, although I am sure that many of them are. There are terrorists within other Muslim groups as well but, of course, some of them may actually be Wahhabis. However, most of the other Muslim groups would be more likely to kill another Muslim, who they view as a heretic, or even a family member, than to kill a Christian or a Jew. Even today, most Islamic terrorism targets other Muslims.

    I believe that the Wahhabi Muslims were responsible for the Trade Tower attacks because they were from Saudi Arabia, and that is where Wahhabi Islam is the strongest, and where it is state-supported.

    In my opinion, any conspiracies on the part of the US government came into play in our response, which was to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, while insisting that Saudi Arabia was our ally, when the attackers were Saudi and the operation was likely financed by the Saudi Arabian government.

    Rather than attacking the people who had attacked us, I think that it is likely that some other goal was accomplished in our response. In the case of Iraq, I think it had much to do with Saddam's refusal to join the World Bank. I don't know about Afghanistan.

    On the other hand, I also agree with Martin that something is fishy, particularly with the plane that hit the Pentagon and the one that crashed in Pennsylvania. I don't know what it is, but something is wrong there. Something is wrong with the Trade Tower story too. Building 7 just doesn't make any sense to me and, having seen several planned implosions (demolitions) in Long Beach while I was living there, they went down exactly like the Trade Towers. Yes, the planes hit them, but something else was in play.
     
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