Will Cities Replace Farms?

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  1. John Nopales

    John Nopales Well-Known Member
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    This is a part of the great reset that is happening.
     
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    I don’t see many takers on the thread so I’ll post what I’ve pulled from the video so far.
    I’ve only gotten to the 11 minute mark and to be truthful, he’s jumped from topic to topic but is failing to fill in the blanks.
    Thus far, he’s only talking about food management which I see few problems with. Tracking and monitoring production of food products from seedling to mouth has been going on for many years now just as other products and widgets have been tracked and recorded. There is very little that we eat or use that isn’t “cookied” out so to speak.
    Somewhere there’s a server which has every person who bought a product and who it was bought from and how much it cost.

    To get to the crux of the title though, rural areas are being taken up and sold and built up as suburban housing for those who wish to live outside the cities thereby reducing AG production.
    Farms and ranches that used to be generationally owned are reaching a generation that looks for other avenues of a career choice ergo the farm gets sold and Junior goes to work with his liberal arts degree.

    One thing I do find a little distressing is that one of the examples given early on in the video is that some dairy farm in California can’t export dry dairy products because of the hiccup in the supply chain on China’s side of the fence.
    The distressing part is that because of the nature of the product being sold, I can’t see why those same dry milk and butter products can’t be sold here in the U.S., Canada or Mexico where rail and truck capabilities make shipment more feasible.
     
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    I don't know about where you live, Bobby, but here, plenty of farms/ranches still exist. When we were driving to Dodge City, Kansas, seen lots of farm equipment, field after field of corn and lots and lots of feedlots full of beef cattle.
     
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    Yes Cody, it’s obvious and goes without even saying that there are indeed a lot of farms and ranches left in this country and as matter of fact that as of 2020 there are about 2.02 million farms in this country.

    BUT, in 2007 there were 2.20 million farms which shows a definite decrease with very few if any new farms and ranches springing up.

    Just a little bit of research would have shown you the same thing I just wrote.
     
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    I don't research things that I protect and totally believe in. Just like rodeo and farm/ranch kids. I support all very, very much.
     
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    What the heck are you talking about?

    So, it doesn’t matter to you what the facts are?
    Your wife would be in a heckova pickle if she didn’t do a lot of research and care what the facts are.

    EDIT: I can easily show where there are around 8000 (that’s an 8 followed by 3 zeros) farms, ranches and other acreages for sale in Colorado and how much land is owned by developers who bought farms and ranches in Colorado for development other than for farms and ranches.
     
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    First, what the heck does my wife have to do with this thread??

    I really don't care what you research about Colorado. Just west of us, near the foothill areas, cattle and horses are grazing and not a single For Sale sign seen. Out on the Eastern Plains, from northern Colorado to southern Colorado, there are plenty of farms/ranches. We ought to know, we've seen them! Remember, this is our second time living in this state.

    I just done a little research myself and I saw what are called "ranch homes", of which are only a single-level house. There are some acres for sale, but no home, barn/stables or anything else. Just acreage!

    And, then there are those that wanted to change the name of the sports teams at Wyoming State University (in Laramie). They've always been called "Cowboys", but no, there are those "big city" folks that go to that University that said "not everyone in Wyoming is a cowboy". Fortunately, the name was not changed and will not be.
     
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    Just go read the post on the Rancher forum by the Colorado kid now with a young family and how thousands of acres of rangeland in the Eastern part of the state where he grew up is now in housing developments where he operates a crane for a good wage.

    Not sure how all the sports teams, rodeo, and cowboy talk have any bearing on this thread concerning the question, "will urban food production replace rural food-producing ranches and farms." Rodeo doesn't produce food and neither do small acreage horse places.
     
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    Ok, just go to the Centennial Livestock Auction for their cattle/livestock/horse sale days and I'm sure you'll talk to those ranchers that will dispute what this thread says.

    What I'm talking about is ALL of Colorado, not just where one person on a ranch forum is. There is still plenty of farm/ranch land here, no matter what some "For Sale" websites state. Just like in northern Indiana, where I grew up, plenty of farming still done there. Livestock and crops.

    What I was pertaining to, when mentioning Wyoming State University is............"big city" folks trying to change things, but it's not happening everywhere. Heck, even Colorado State University in Ft. Collins has a rodeo team and their members are from ranches.
     
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    Good grief. :rolleyes:

    I have read that 2% of the population of the USA feeds the other 98%. To consider the rate of failure for small farms is really kind of scary. Not sure we'll live to see "urban food systems" but who knows what the future holds.
     
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    Learning very quickly when to "bow out". So, I'm done with this thread! Moving on.:D
     
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    That is the beauty of having a mini plastic farm/ranch set. It is easy to pick up and leave when the going gets tough. :D
     
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    Firstly, every time you get yourself into a jackpot you insist upon telling all of us what your wife thinks or says about it so I decided to bring her in before you did. She obviously does what you should do which is to study a little. II TIM. 2:15

    Secondly, your “research” as you call it is bogus. I’ve found thousands of ranch and farm acreage for sale in Colorado so it’s obvious you didn’t bother to look just a little further or, since you’re the computer specialist, widen your search to included FARMS FOR SALE.
    I found one that the farmer will give up for 3.3 Million.

    The facts are that our access to agricultural products are decreasing, not increasing. The day of paying farmers not to produce is about over since selling a farm for land development is probably more lucrative especially for someone who just doesn’t want to inherit the family farm.
     
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    One of the things in the New Green Deal bill to to tax the heirs of farms and ranches to the point they must sell when the owner dies, and they will be taxes on the increase in value from the original purchase, sometimes over a century ago.
     
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    That is already the case in Oregon especially if there are multiple heirs and one wants to buy the others out. The ones buying can't afford to buy the others out and make a living ranching/farming and in the rare case, one buys the others out, the ones selling payout a big capital gains tax. The result is developers are paying high prices if close to a town or city so they can build houses and apartments and giant corporations are buying the prime farmland. Corporations also buy the ranches to use as wildlife reserves. In both cases, the government gives out big grants and the corporations get richer. The government in trade for the grant has control over what they produce and where they sell it. Many of these giant corporate farms are indirectly Chinese-owned.

    What Cody sees is miles and miles of rangeland that isn't being developed, attends a few rodeos, enjoys a cattle auction, and bases his idea that ranches and farms are thriving on that. What he is blinded to is how the outskirts of nearly every town and city are steadily creeping out consuming agricultural land. Rural tomato farms are being replaced with urban hydroponic greenhouses, etc.

    I once lived on the last street in town and behind me was ranch land for several hundred miles. In just the last 10 years several hundred acres were bought by developers and now there are over 500 houses behind me with new ones going up daily. I have to walk a mile to get to the outskirts. I can now walk that mile on concrete sidewalks. When I look out from the outskirts, I no longer see a couple of ranch houses and large cattle-filled fields, but 30 or so new houses on small acreages with fancy horses and girls in skinny jeans and crop tops riding them, racing round barrels. The remaining 30 acres high-producing alfalfa field has offers of over 3 million for it. It is in the way of two developments meeting.
     
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